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Old 12-30-2015 | 05:26 AM
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eaglefly
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Originally Posted by egl2fdx
He/she is right. Ask our 1999 hires.
Some have claimed I am simply disgruntled because "my" flow didn't work out (which it actually did considering the alternatives) and it took a decade to actually transfer. That happened because of two things, first, the unanticipated outside forces (9/11) that impacted this industry AND second, the actions of the entities that controlled/influenced the mechanism itself, that being A. my own managements situation in the first half of that decade (a similar one present Envoy management is in, only worse) where they ensured the flow went as slow as possible and B., the actions of an opposing union (APA) who then impeded my flow (and ultimately attempted to cancel it altogether) in the latter portion.

Point being, 6 years is a LONG time considering the outside political and economic forces present nowadays and significant risk is there for another negative impact on what is a cyclical industry and present AAG and Envoy managements aren't likely on the same long-term page, so what AAG has planned for Envoy in the next year or two could significantly alter the flow rate for present Envoy pilots. Some cry that "things are different now" and that is folly and hope. Things are NOT different now and in fact, very much the same. Will it take a decade like me for a Envoy new-hire of today to flow to AA ?

Again, it's simply a WAG, but I would guess no, not that long unless something truly unforeseen occurs. But hanging your head on a 6 year promise is shaky at best, IMO. BTW, when the original flow (Letter 3) was sold to us in 1997, we were told that ALL present Eagle pilots were projected to be able to flow to AA within 5 years. Sound familiar ?

For accuracy reference regarding that then claim, by 2010 (roughly 13 years after that claim), only about 125 Eagle pilots had actually flowed to AA property (out of 1500-2000 in the window at the time of that claim ?). Clearly, it is running better now, but again, I think that's simply a by-product of a very fluid situation present at both mainline AA and the AA Eagle WO's which will become less fluid by the end of 2016 where major changes will alter the flow rate to a more steady, but ultimately slower process then present, at least for those at Envoy under the PPA. Clearly, there are not enough new-hires to meet such a flow strictly from the Eagle WO's and that component of this equation is only likely to become worse.
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