You ask a lot of questions but don't provide a lot of answers, so I am going to answer you and there will be a few questions embedded that I would request you answer for me.

The company was not provided FRMS relief. Read our current FRMS language and that of the TA and tell me what relief they received. In fact they now have to block off a first class/business seat on all 777 double augmented flights. That is a loss for them big time. In return they got the same ability they have now to apply for FRMS waivers, and ALPA is still involved with the process. So tell me what in there is worth a 13% raise?

MOU 22 fix is crap, it leaves out more than half of the pilot group. Narrow body guys will still not receive any add pay and will still have to file FSAP reports for not extending the first 30 min. How is that a win for the pilot group? It sounds like a win for the company.

So why don't we tell the company to play ball if they want MOU 22 and we can reinstate it for the benefit of the entire pilot group. As far as FRMS goes if that was the big need for the company and our major leverage then both sides blew it. The company got nothing and we lost nothing. So why not add those changes into an LOA, in my opinion we are not giving anything away. The LOA will expire the day we sign a new contract so we will still have to negotiate these changes.

Everyone said the company wants something so lets nail them to the wall. I ask you what exactly did the company get? And what in this TA is worth a 13% raise?

I will tell you what we didn't get. We didn't get reserve enhancements as promised, we didn't get a NSNB as promised, we did not get an MOU 22 fix as promised. So how is this TA NOT a concession? Maybe because most feel that those items are worth less than 13%, and maybe your right, but read between the lines.

The company waved a bunch of crisp $100 bills in front of your face PROBE, in the mean time they slipped the ball out from under the cup and are now waiting for you to choose which cup the ball is under. This negotiation was a shell game, the facts are we are getting paid 13% to extend our concessionary contract out for 2 more years, THATS WHAT THC COMPANY WANTED AND THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR. The company can pay hourly wages, they can budget and plan for that, what they can't pay for and what becomes VERY expensive is work rules. They know our work rules are subpar, they know we want them fixed and they most likely know what rules are at the top of our list.

So tell me probe what is really going on with these negotiations?