Originally Posted by
Grumble
The 500 was on property only a 2-3 years ago, several other airplanes on there are not and won't be here either yet we compare ourselves to them all the time (Dal 717 rates for instance). Make the capt rates, highest FO rate + some, I'll loose some of my heart burn over it.
UAL can buy these airplanes whenever they like, they don't need this TA to do it. Voting yes because you think the content of the TA is better than what we could do in Sec 6, not because of speculation and hope. Hope isn't a strategy, like hoping DAL ratifies before 1/2018.
You want Capt rates higher than which FO rate? A350? 747? 737-500? How about the current CRJ900 Capt rates? Are those OK to be below current 737-500FO rates? Because they're $3/hr lower at the 12 year point.
Let's step back for a moment and ask a really important question here. Is there any scenario where you envision yourself flying a CS-100?
I'd love to say that I don't see any scenario, but all it would take for me to either be furloughed again or flying a CS-100 is another age change to 70 combined with an economic downturn. Having been through that twice, I'd prefer to be flying a NSNB jet with mainline instead of on the street again looking for a job.
So to me, it's not only about whether this TA is better than what we could do in Section 6, it is also a bit of insurance for those of us on the bottom third of the list. I don't view the CS-100 pay rates as B Scale or even concessionary.
I am also very concerned about the continual mainline retreat from flying smaller equipment. We need to stop this by getting a NSNB on property. If the pay rates are out of line on the CS-100, EMB190, ERJ900 or whatever NSNB is chosen, we can get them fixed. But fumbling the opportunity to capture some small gauge flying on mainline because the pay's too low on one airframe that's not on property is shortsighted and I suspect that most of us on the bottom third of the list feel the same way. For some of us, it's not a comparison of retired 737-500 rates to CS-100 rates; it's a comparison of mainline CS-100 rates to starting regional wages.