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Old 01-07-2016 | 04:59 AM
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BobJenkins
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Unfortunately, you do not get to pick and choose who comes to YOUR profession, nor for what reasons. Go back and re-read what I have posted. Nowhere did I say I wanted a quick upgrade. I only make mention of hours. As in, I don't want to sit in a crew room for 2+ years, flying 40 hours a month at min guarantee, getting paid, but not building hours.

And I hope you were able to type that "many hard working folks here" with a straight face. At least you didn't say "pilots", you said "folks", which technically makes your statement correct. But you and I both know pilots do not work all that hard. Long perhaps, and frustrating schedules, to be sure. But that was a choice, wasn't it? All of us could opt for a job with regular hours, where you actually DO work hard.

And just so we're clear on the topic of money - while you do not get to dictate to me my motivations, I have been saying for many years that FO wages are terrible, and should be higher. No argument there. But you, and everyone else on these forums who fly for a regional took the job with wages lower than they are today, so don't preach to the new guys, and tell us we are the problem. No sir, the problem with current pay goes WAY back to the legacy pilots, scope and pay decisions, etc., long before us, and even to your era of pilots, who took the job knowing how low the pay was.

FWIW, an E2 in the military makes about $2356 a month before taxes, with about $600 of that untaxed. That's with no college and no flight school debt. Just another option for folks who are chasing the money.

Originally Posted by tinman1
That right there is the problem. Expect to make quite a few enemies with that attitude in this environment. We have many hard working folks here, and the last thing we want is more naive souls filling JO's new hire classes every month on the fake promise of a quick upgrade. He has zero incentive to offer us a better contract while that kind of tomfoolery goes on. Don't need the money? Fine, stay the hell away from our profession.
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