Originally Posted by
oldmako
Gettinbumped,
You're welcome.
I assumed that someone would hop on my comment. But here's where we differ. My fear is that after we agree to this, UA will have us right where they want us. Namely, cheap relative to DAL when looking at total cost. Forget the straight hourly rate, there is a ton of compensation buried in work rules, sick leave accrual, vacation pay/override, etc. For example:
DAL already has a 5.4 (vs our 5.0) rig do they not? Add that up over a year (lets say 16 days per month X 12 and you wind up north of 76 hours) and you could receive an additional full months pay. Take that 76 hours at 180 bucks and add another 2 grand to your B/C fund. Small numbers add up fast, especially if you're a new hire and have 20 years to go. As another example, I used to fly Bus 4 days with a 31 hour break in CLE. Because there was no duty period that day, our rig didn't apply. Road apples.
A quick check of the current SSC report shows an average 5:26cr per day on the Bus, and 5:21cr on the 737. So I guess those DAL fellas aren't earning that extra full months pay after all. But we will be tearing them up with rates 18% higher than their's if this TA passes. And C2012 gave us
5 hours per calendar day. Not per duty day, like C2000 and C2003. A definite improvement. Are you just lamenting the past? AMR has 5 hours per duty day...even on their new shiny contract...12 hour 3 days with 2 duty periods...just like the 'good ol' days' of our C2000. yuck.
After we agree to FRMS / 117 relief, UALco will have zero incentive to negotiate. Just this week, KWI-IAD cancelled at least twice due to crew. Cancellations like that are happening system wide, every week. That's huge leverage and we're letting it go for peanuts as this place is sloshing cash. Hell, they're giving the shareholders 4 billion and Oscar (at least) 28 million.
Did you listen to the webinar? It had the guys who negotiated this deal and JH answering questions about what we gave up, not all these Monday morning forum quarterbacks speculating...hint: it's nothing. In fact there are gets in the FRMS language. The 2 year extension is what the company gets..other than that, no concessions from us. The easy money in the MOU 22 replacement might help with those cancellations, but that's still 100% up to the crew and their willingness to extend.