Originally Posted by 2cylinderdriver

One of those "scare tactics", I really doubt that has been done. If they remove anyone from a trip, it should be grieved. J/S time is NOT duty. If you miss your trip and are not protected, well that is your issue to deal with your ACP. When they put a chip in our backsides to tell what we have been doing prior to flight duty then maybe you have a "fair and balanced" method of determining fitness for duty.

The simple fact that the company can "account" for your whereabouts when you J/S in gives them no right to pull you from a trip. I will further argue, if they pull someone for being over 13:30, that is evidence that the Company now considers J/S time as duty and when I commute in "legally", my showtime at the outstation J/S is now my duty start time. When crew scheds attempts to extend your duty into operational or FAR limits and you tell them your duty is calculated incorrectly on the FP/R, what do you think the DO will say ? They can't have it both ways, it is either duty or it is not, and is is NOT.

If you show up not fit for duty, that is another story.