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Old 07-29-2007 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
WTF is up with folks on this board always assuming I'm bagging on UPS, the IPA or your pilot group? This thread is about Frontier, is it not?

Yes I was a co-op at UPS in 2005, during contract negotiations but before the TA, and yes I very much would like to work for UPS in the future. I am fully aware of what UPS management's position was regarding newhire pilots and their compensation during negotiations. I also know that folks left UPS while still in training for SWA and FDX, in no small part due to their higher probationary compensation.

Knowing that, it still would be nice to see negotiating capital spent to ensure a reasonable wage for probationary pilots and nowhere is that more evident than at the regional level where I currently am. FedEx pays a reasonable wage to first-year pilots, as does Southwest and Delta (under a concessionary agreement, no less). Those rates weren't benevolently gifted to them by management, they were fought for and paid for with negotiating capital by the whole pilot group.

Considering the number of folks on APC and FI that complain about the bottom-dollar probationary rates at United, Northwest, US Airways, Continental and even at UPS...I would have thought the topic of higher probationary compensation would have near-universal agreement among professional pilots.
Never once did I assume, that is why I asked. Again it is the difference with working for a trucking company and an airline. UPS does not think a new hire pilot is worth more than what is paid to him. In negotiations it is always a give and take, what would you be willing to give up to pay someone whom is not even on property yet more money.
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