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Old 01-20-2016 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
since you work here, post it. because i am going with chignutsak
They cannot post it because it doesn't exist. An arbitration award has a decision (award) decided by an arbitrator with his signature at the end. That doesn't exist. What DOES exist is a Letter of Agreement (LOA) between management and Envoy ALPA. Those are two VERY different things and management sought agreement of this issue instead of risking an arbitrated decision for very important reason and that' an arbitrated award can be argued to survive a contract while an LOA cannot. Flame's assertion that it "does not matter" is an indication he knows it isn't arbitrated and the fact is it DOES matter.

The PP pilots want to believe..............no HAVE to believe nothing will impede their flow at the present rate as to consider another reality is simply to horrifying and thus denial is in full swing. Envoy pilots were similarly handed a rusty musket by the past union fiefdom when their transfer rights with aircraft were given away for so far, essentially nothing but misery. Will the Envoy flow stop after the last of the 824 ?

Not likely.

It IS however, a pivot point where AAG is then free to morph Envoy and/or other WO's into what they want to do long-term and not be encumbered with a legal hassles of an arbitration that individual pilots can claim harm as the 824. Once 824 are gone, I would look for AAG to announce the world has again changed and that Envoy PP pilots will have to accept inclusion in a more modest stream of flows including other pilots effectively slowing the flow rate for legacy Envoy pilots. Envoy ALPA will negotiate, but ultimately whatever is achieved will be a dilution of the present flow promises implied in that LOA.

What everyone is seeing here is simply the same attitudes of the past there where many pilots assume things only to have the rug pulled out from under them (again) simply because they over-assumed. Realistic expectations have NEVER been part of the Envoy pilot existence and that is why denial is so rampant and rage and hostility are then directed at those that highlight that psychological existence. But, the beat goes on to the rhythm of the tom-toms of fantasy..............
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