For the love of God (or insert whatever you love, like pie. I like pie!)...

You guys are on an aviation forum, can we at least argue aviation?

I believe Breezy is incorrect. However, I am sure that anyone who resorts to name calling has lost not only the argument with that person, but also the audience. If you want to argue with him, lay down numbers, facts and studies. There are tons of them... And if I thought it would do any good, I would post them, but you are never going to "win" an argument over politics or religion. People take it too personally.

Can we just have a beer (or adult beverage of your choice) and get this thread back on track?