Originally Posted by
Salesvector
It's a sad day that an actual Ealge Lounger is now attempting to bring their cry fest on to this forum. Take off your bib for two seconds and consider the following:
Our contract states that we have to flow 50% of each AA new hire class per month metered to 30. This next month AA is bringing on 70 new hires. 50% of that would be 35 which allows the company to meter down to 30 if they wanted...and so they have. None of that is in violation of our contract. So what's your problem?
It's a predictable day when it's no longer easy for a salesmen to conceal the shortcomings and insufficiencies of his misrepresented product. It's usually only a matter of time. As usual, when you cannot refute the message, you attack the messenger. As was pointed out elsewhere, Envoy's own sales pitch here on this forum
guarantee's 50% of each class. As for not violating your contract, it would appear Envoy ALPA disagrees with you, at least that is what has been stated.
Originally Posted by
Salesvector
Second, flowing 30 per month is hardly a tragedy although you fellas over on eagle lounge would cry if you were handed a brick of gold. 30/month is still over 300 a year. Go ask the PSA boys to cry for you...they get 5 per month. Go ask the boys over at Republic, Commutair, TSA, Gojets, or anywhere else to cry for you. They get zero flows to anywhere.
But, the new figures are LESS then 300 a year which is also in disagreement to your previous sales pitch, now confirmed to be malarkey and for the record more personal attack.
Originally Posted by
Salesvector
Third, you fellas on eagle lounge are experts on crying, complaining, and generally beeyaching about EVERY-SINGLE-THING. But come up with solutions for once. First, explain how flowing 30 in a month that AA hires 70 is in violation of anything. It isn't. Second, explain how flowing 300+ per year is such a sad-sad day.
It's violating the represented claims previously made and STILL made and once again as per Wilson, it will be LESS then 300/year. You can't even get your own B.S. straight anymore. As for the complaints, consider the rampant disregard for the pilots contract, your claims are simply "crying, complaining and beeyaching" yourself. Theirs are valid, yours are not.
Originally Posted by
Salesvector
Finally, tell us how you folks on eagle lounge would handle the recalls at AA. American set May of 2016 as the deadline for all furloughed pilots to return. After that it's game over for all them. A couple of number crunchers at AA recently took a shot in the dark at how many recalls would be coming back by May. Then they estimated based on those numbers they would need 3 months of no new hires and no flows to get all those guys through training. Then those numbers were relayed to Ric and are constantly changing. Come May they could realize they will only actually need 2 months to get them trained, or one.
So what's your solution? American has limited resources just like any other company in the world. They only have so much sim time, so many classrooms, and so many instructors. And they only operate on the same 24 hour clock as the rest of us do. So instead of your usual eagle lounge crying, offer a solution. Keep in mind that telling the recalls to go pound sand is NOT a solution.
The solution is for Envoy management to honor the spirit and intent of the CBA instead of by-passing and sharpshooting every thing they can. The WHOLE CBA. If AA can hire 70 next month, Envoy can certainly let an additional 5 pilot go, especially with low block lines, part-time lines, zero-time lines and high reserve counts who fly little. Those appear to be nothing more then orchestrated excuses to defend yet another short-changing of the pilot group. At this rate though, they SHOULD be concerned about the future as anyone who doesn't have rocks in their head will be more apt to avoid Envoy with each and every action and excuse like this.
Originally Posted by
Salesvector
Go change your underwear and take a deep breath. Flowing 300 for the year is significantly more than anyone else can say and is more than this company has ever flowed before. That number will be larger after 2016 with no more recalls. If AA hires more than 60 can the company meter to 30? Yes, it's in the contract. Is 30 flows per month horrible? Not by a long shot...that's still a huge number.
LOL ! Man, you just can't take the sales out of the salesman.
Here you are, after all this, claiming that the flow WILL be larger after 2016 with no more recalls. Hey, wizard, they aren't claiming the inability to flow to more then 30 because of the recalls, but because of Envoy's supposed issues with "disruption" at ENVOY !
At least now everyone here can see exactly who and what a few of these characters really are here. It is simply undeniable.