Everything's relative. Those hired in the 05-07 timeframe have in fact endured a very long time being junior. However, while it's true that we have nowhere near the retirement numbers of United or Delta, something like 40 percent of our seniority list will retire over the next decade. Upgrade won't exactly be quick, but neither will you have to endure years at the bottom of the list. Someone hired today SHOULD have a very different experience than say an 06 hire. Of course that all assumes that we don't furlough, retire a fleet, have to deal with age 67, etc. The pay and benefits are very good but others are catching up quickly. Once we finally get a contract, you should have a much better idea of which direction we're headed compared to other airline gigs. Junior base has been SDF since hiring re-started in 14 with a handful hired into ONT and MIA.