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Old 02-07-2016 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dominican
Is this about solving problems or simply a double standard when we deal with foreign pilots in general?

...like I said on another post, professionalism shouldn't have geographical borders.
Some really good points, Dom. But I'd like to suggest first that it depends on the problem we are trying to solve; what paradigm are we working with?

If the problem is, as you imply with the good Fedex example, 'improving something in the way the Chinese do whatever', it's naive for any of us to think that a pebble in the ocean will make any difference. It will not. There is no way that anything that gets posted on some backwater forum somewhere on the internet (including youtube) is going to do anything to change the lumbering beast that is Chinese [insert category]. In fact, front page photos of tanks running roughshod over students in Tienanmen didn't change anything back in the 90's. So, this point has been made before, recently, and it's good to keep on making it.

But, I reckon if we define the problem as 'reaching out to pilots who are on the verge of making a major career decision' and providing the same with INFORMATION [capital I] to work with and make that choice, then your answer becomes yes. We are fighting that fight and we believe it is a worthy cause with no holds barred and no voice censored. Making the move to go work in China as a pilot is exceedingly risky and not a long-term solution, unlike Fedex. I personally believe this point needs to be emphasized, underscored and highlighted in the face of wild advertisements promising grandeur and recruiters who want to blow sunshine up everyone's nether regions.

We keep making the point that we are rendering information available. We keep making the point that pilots need to do their homework before they sign on the dotted line. We keep making the point that YOU ARE PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for your actions abroad, especially in a punitive culture like China. Be aware, be forewarned and take advantage of what is being made available. The theatre of operations is no song and dance, proof and example provided.

YES, you are 100% correct that 'professionalism shouldn't have geographical borders.' The unfortunate reality to this declaration is that it is also naive; people do not understand the... shall we call them 'intricacies' of Chinese aviation. We (the F.U.D. brotherhood if you will) have been cataloging those 'intricacies' and making the list available to others who have dollar signs razzle-dazzle-zazzling their eyes so that they might come back to terra firma and take a long, hard look. To take a page from Capt. Probe's playbook, if person XYZ doesn't like what we are doing in our narrative here, that person doesn't have to read this thread or click such-and-whatnot provided link. We are still all adults.

Originally Posted by Probe
If you don't like working in China, you don't have to do it. Their culture is different.

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At the end of the day, I am for sale. My former job in China is currently tied for the highest paid job in the contract world.

If you don't like it, don't do it. Better yet, go post this stuff on PPRUNE. There, you will find many kindred spirits.
If we wanted kindred spirits Cap'n, we re-pats would meet up at the pub every second Friday, shoot billiards over a pint and reminisce.

Instead, what we are trying to do, as stated over and over and over in this thread going back 19 pages and 40,000(+) views is that we are looking to inform the uninformed with real-world intel, real-time. Probe, you LOVE China. Great. It's good to hear the opinions of someone who is lockstep with the Chinese with such vigor and conviction that nothing else matters. This is important to hear. It's important for the 40,000(+) views to keep reading how, for some pilots, nothing matters except the bottom line: the money. Risk, health, displacement and culture shock, deterioration of skill/judgement etc. do not matter to you. That is your journey and it's actually fascinating to hear about on some level. But, for others these things do matter. Some may not have been posed the question and so may not realize those things matter as much as they do. A lot of that stuff we take for granted in the West.

Thanks for your input though. It is important to get views from all sides, and (aside from ad hominem) all views should be considered.

Fly safe everyone and if it's your birthday, happy birthday!
C.S.
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