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Old 02-18-2016 | 07:00 AM
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cr700
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
Conspiratorial management plant/envoy salesman cheerleader here!



What? Seriously, WHAT? Out of all the posts I see here this one completely seems like an ENY/AAG PR rep piece. "...reliable feed...career path...positioning envoy to be the premier regional..." All corporate-speak.

I cannot believe what I'm hearing from management, or the previous poster.

All last year, despite the negative Nancys, AAG looked to be holding true to what they said they were going to do in regards to ENY's flow and future.

  • They reduced the number of departing aircraft
  • Returned some flying with the promise of additional hours returning this spring
  • Had a small upgrade with the promise of more to come in rapid succession starting this year
  • 2.5 to CA and 6 to flow for the newhire hired TODAY (today being the late summer/fall of last year).
  • Despite the devastating effects of shutting down all but two domiciles we got small returns like hotel rooms and an extended commuter policy (still a sh*t deal, but better than nothing)
  • Bumped up the flow in accordance with the arrival of the 175
What they've actually done this year:

  • Failed to gain additional flying
    This will be changing in the future heavily slanted in Envoy's favor. AAG has to balance the system when it comes to regional feed and it all depends on the capacity available to them at that particular time.
  • Failed to upgrade
    Look for an upgrade bid very soon. As you know, as Envoy pilots flow, they have to be replaced. This requires upgrades.
  • 2.5/6 is essentially impossible. They could hand out AA numbers to us and that still doesn't qualify as flowing - we are supposed to get 50% of EACH CLASS, not 100% into a pool. Unless there's some miracle in the works there's no way to cram the full required flow through the AA training center (Due to Letter T returnees, July slowdown and December shutdown of the AA training facility for newhires) much less our own training center to meet the upgrade target.
    They are following the contract. The 2.5/6 is based on the MINIMUM flowing which in the most recent case is, 30.
  • Metered the flow to less than 50% with the unfathomable excuse that the departure of the pilots would disrupt operations despite having zero time and part time lines, line values sub-70 hour average along with 35%+ of the pilot group on reserve. Bull ****
    Metering is allowed by the contract even for forseeable future events. It's likely that when the 175 flying spools up, they are seeing a greater need for qualified pilots in those seats.
  • Returning Letter T pilots may/may not make "truing up" flows at the end of the year per our contract physically impossible
    Letter T pilots will be making their decision in April. Then we will know how many will be coming back. The company has to true up at the end of the year. It's contractual.

AAG/ENY has done an about-face and returned to their BS and failed promises. Last year I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Wait and see. Things were looking OK, people could start moving up and out. They were holding up their end of the bargain. The actions of the company this year make liars of them. ENY is just another crappy regional at this point, arguably worse than others in some ways. But hey, it's just a transfer to AA, right?

OK Mr./Ms. AAG/ENY PR rep, tell us how AA/ENY are going to surmount these issues while remaining within the bounds of the contract and arbitrated awards? If it were possible, I think we would have been told by now, and it would benefit hiring because people would see that we were moving ahead - but this is not the reality that is presented by ENY. Do tell, cr700, how this will all be made right? I was one of your supporters last year and we've all been let down. Tell me why I'm wrong, point by point.
We are getting plenty of interest out there. It's just some of the candidates aren't AA material in the end. That's what happens when you have one interview for your career airline job. Corporate wants to ensure they are hiring an AA pilot from day one.

We have some of the best work rules in the industry. Envoy isn't a bad place to be while you wait for your move over to AA. Envoy is moving ahead and very soon it will be at lightning speed. Anyone considering Envoy will want to get their apps in now to be on the front end of the wave. Yes, it's still a great time to be an Envoy pilot.
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