I gotta give you some credit, it takes brass to come down in the trenches and argue with the rank and file. That said, I find your posts to be full of the same problems and issues that the employees have complained about for years now. You provide promises without specifics. Present facts without figures. Each statement comes loaded with "Trust Us..." ENY and AAG have a horrible track record with promises, most recently damaging with the "promise" that if we ratified the bankruptcy contract we'd be positioned to get the new 175's. Which went elsewhere. Then displaced us out of our bases. Yeah, people tend not to forget that.
getting some new people. Know who is getting the most? MESA. They're beating our pants off. Why? Upgrades and movement. Why do all the other regional airlines get the newhires? Upgrades and movement. Newhires are looking for the extremes. We used to have pretty da*n good QOL here, but we had slow upgrades, yet people came here. Why? Good QOL. Meanwhile our FO's are leaving because that QOL is gone. Stuck on reserve for years. No light at the end of the tunnel.
Now newhires care about the opposite extreme. FAST upgrade. FAST movement. They are willing to overlook crappy work rules in order to obtain that brass ring.
What does ENY have? Crappy work rules. Years on reserve. Upgrades still nearing a decade. We have
neither of the qualities that would attract newhires. I'm not going to reiterate everything that has already been said on this thread about the hits our QOL has taken over the last 5 years. It's been a steady decline, from rules, to pay, to schedules. It's crap.
The facts is, there is no other regional that has the type of flow that Envoy has.
You're right. But don't skate by the fact that our fantastic flow is set to decrease as time passes while other AA WO's are set to increase. That flow becomes less of a carrot as time progresses.
Add to that the upgrade time that will be dropping rapidly very soon. The 2.5/6 is not just some baloney numbers pulled out of the air. These were calculated over a period of time by Envoy management and it's shown already that it's going to work.
SHOW US THE MONEY. We want facts. Upgrade bids. Dates. Show us the numbers. I reiterate my previous twice-unanswered questions: How can the ENY and AA training centers expect to handle the massive training requirements to upgrade, transition and flow so many pilots? As others have said,
it's over 40 pilots a month just to meet the demand. How is that going to be made good? How are they going to meet the true-up? AA keeps projecting to hire hundreds this year, but that number seems to conveniently ignore Letter T. This is 99% of ENY's lack of credibility among the rank and file right here.
As for work rules. Yes, Envoy has nearly the best in the regional industry. Maybe the reserve rules could use some tweaking, but overall I can't see what the problem is...
Did you even
read what people have been talking about here? You have got to be kidding me. Go back and read it some more, because I don't think you understand what is going on. I suggest your desk job has made it all too easy to throw stones when you're home every night. Come on out here and spend your $$ on hotel rooms, commute on your day off, get paid 10 hours less than you're used to, and seen your family at home for only 10 or 12 days a month. Oh, sure; regular cubicle drones get only 4 weekends at home, whiny pilots get 2 more days than that. But those cubicle drones get home every night. Likely some holidays off. Long weekends. Knock off early to go to the kid's ballgame. Whatever. We get 10-12 actual days at home to try to cram everything everyone else does in a week's worth of evenings and weekends. Yeah, I know, we're pilots. We should expect to be gone a lot. Many used to get 14-16 days off and drive to work. Now they commute halfway across the country getting up at 2 AM to make a commute flight for 12 days off if they're lucky.
Try to spend 3-4 years on reserve with the unilateral rule changes. 3-4 years of commuting to reserve. Not the "cushy" reserve rules of a decade ago.
They may not be perfect, but seriously, are they really that bad? It's a fact that every month someone will post that the schedules are the worst they've ever seen. Give me a break. As far as the non commutable ends of the trip, you have company paid hotels!
Ok, now this is insulting enough to be rage-inducing. Are you really management or just a skillful troll pushing all the right buttons? Again, go re-read everything. 4 hotels to cover 4-5 trips with uncommutable ends. Even you can count, that's 8-10 potential hotels in the worst case. More than half the trips have 4 or more hotels required, and that's assuming you don't get delayed and miss a flight home.
YES, THEY ARE THAT BAD. That's not ENY's problem because it's the flight file's fault, as you say, but don't come on here and insult the people from your armchair that deal with the fallout.
I would stress again......patience. It's taking some time for the overall company plan to come together but Envoy is a major player and is already a great regional with a robust flow, but as things continue to improve, will be THE premier regional.
As usual we only get the magic wand waved telling us the King Has New Clothes.
We were a major player. We got taken down.
We were "too close to AA".
Our robust flow is set to decrease.
You keep saying "premier". Exactly what does that mean? Shiny jets and unhappy employees? IS that premier from a passenger standpoint or from an employee one? If from an employee perspective unless there's a new contract on the horizon with better pay and drastic changes to work rules to improve QOL I don't have a clue how you figure using that word.
Where's the bastion of support that I used to see on here in this thread?
It disappeared with the unilateral reserve rule changes. The punitive change to not agreeing to extension. Support has an inverse relationship to the total number of pilots on reserve, double that for schedule quality. The list goes on.
So what if I'm at a desk most of the time? I've got no problem admitting it. I'm still on the seniority list and that's what matters.
"So what..."? Really? It matters because you don't have to deal with life on the flight line. It allows you to casually dismiss what issues the rank and file deal with, a huge mistake to those viewing what you write here. It removes any willingness of readers here to believe what you say when you so casually refuse to acknowledge what pilots are dealing with day-to-day. Your office job has protected you and made you deaf. Your being on the seniority list provides you with no weight here, in fact it probably did the opposite as it could be viewed by pilots as being a turncoat considering your lack of concern for the working pilot.
My previous questions still stand. If you cannot answer anything and simply want us to believe, then your time is wasted here. I appreciate your willingness to spar, but your (and the company's) lack of willingness to share data and lack of action is not going to win any supporters to your arguments. I personally find especially disheartening the attitude you present here which is essentially, "Shut up and fly, everything's fine." If this is indicative of the overall attitude in the offices in DFW regarding the pilot group I can see why so little is done to improve our lot overall and precisely the reason there is so little support here for ENY's projected future accomplishments.
I say again: You want our support? I'd love to be proven wrong. Show us the proof. I''ll be first in line to be a "salesman".
If not, thanks for stopping by.