Finally... some objective talk. I have heard JO say (on his weekly message) that "we" can afford to take a loss in Hawaii for quite some time. "We", meaning, well, you know what the repercussions of that are. I believe he's there to drive Hawaiian and/or Aloha out of business, but I seem to recall some alliance with a major mainland carrier that may make that more difficult. Agree on the negotiations thing, I can hear it now- "well, we're losing money in Hawaii, so you gotta take this contract or we'll have to send planes to China. Between the junior pilots and our spineless union, I have little doubt JO will triumph in the next contract negotiation.