Originally Posted by Out Of Trim

Yeah, well you pretty much made my point for me. The real problem isn't the fact that new hires with minimal experience or qualifications are getting seats in class. That's the symptom and, you can't blame them for jumping on the chance. If recruiting isn't able to do any better than that because of sub par pay, QOL, etc, then those are the real problems. I think we pretty much agree on everything here, I just don't see it appropriate for some people to hold it against new hires for coming here and to see them as being the ones responsible for conditions not changing. That was the point I was trying to make.