Originally Posted by
GuardBummer
Im a tanker guy, but not Pease based, and I'm an E190 guy. I do not think we have flown together, because I have never been addressed regarding my willingness to help out in the back.
I have no problem with anyone who doesnt want to cross belts and clean up trash from seat backs. What I do have a problem with is a Captain going to pro standards on a FO because he decides to assist the FAs. Sure, you do this under the guise of missing Notams, etc., which is comical. Try this... How about holding all to the same standards based on their performance instead of trying to get someone talked to by pro standards because you dont like what they do during a turn.
Yes, I would go back to cleaning, as long as I had the time to complete a walk around or my preflight duties. I would do so only out of sight of the customers, which is my standard practice. Of all the battles one could pick, I think you could probably make a bigger impact with a more appropriate battle.
My apologies for assuming you were a Pease guy.
I don't think we're going to change each other's minds, but my last volley: I was an E190 CA until last year, so we may have crossed paths. If you re-read the exchange in the other thread, I stated I would ask (and respectfully point out the reasons why) that you defer cleaning between legs. That conversation would happen prior to getting Pro Stans involved. Some hypotheticals that have actually happened in my career here: you cleaned, while I checked the release, setup the cockpit and checked with the gate agent about jumpseaters. Now by the time you get to the walk around and notice the shattered taxi light lens or the leaking hydraulic line on the main gear brake assembly we're 10 minutes prior to departure with the customers mostly reboarded. Or I grabbed the walkaround while you cleaned, and by the time I returned to the cockpit we've begun re-boarding and you haven't reviewed the release yet and noticed we lack a required 2nd alternate. Or the LG No Dispatch EICAS that popped up and blended in with the 5 other messages that normally sit there with the door open and engines shut down.... Now I'm calling dispatch and getting the fueler back 10 minutes prior to departure, or trying to get MX control to get the contract guy out to the outstation on a Sunday afternoon. Or doing a full power-down and power-up with customers sitting on a dark, hot jet when it could have been done earlier. I can go on... Be honest with yourself: if you're the FO in this case, did you legitimately complete your preflight duties to the best of your abilities IAW the FOM time-management turn guideline? And do you now still think cleaning the cabin was the best use of your time as a professional pilot?
The ensuing maintenance or fueling delays could have been likely avoided, or incurred without customers on the jet, had you attended to your pilot duties first vs your perception of teamwork. If after I ask you to attend to those duties first and can reference my authority to do so, you still want to defy me to prove a point? Pro stans it is.
Finally, your LEC, MEC, and customers have made clear multiple times their stance on this issue. Regardless of how you think I present my position, why are you determined to buck all that data as well?