Originally Posted by
envoy1
Can you tell me what the latest is on the 2 1/2 year upgrade and 6 year flow? I'm a new hire almost done with training now and in indoc, a guy from management, came in and told us that everything was in motion for us to upgrade in 2 1/2 and flow in 6.
Since then I've been hearing a lot about how this isn't true and that the people flowing over now were hired in 1999 and also that the latest upgrades were hired in 2007. That doesn't really add up to what this guy was telling us. I'm a little disturbed by it and wondering if I maybe made the wrong choice. Compass and Endeavor both had offered me an interview at the time also and I'm a little upset that I didn't even go to the interview now.
Don't let the naysayers here get to you. You absolutely made the right choice in selecting Envoy for your airline career. As you were likely told throughout the interview process and in training, we are hiring AA pilots from day one. You obviously have the right stuff as you were selected.
The information I have presented here in this thread is exactly what the company plans to do. Things may be tweaked a bit here and there as for operational necessity, but any good and viable business will do this as necessary. For instance, there are some here that are upset that the company metered the flows to 30 last month. That was simply an operational necessity. As more 175's come online, the training pipeline will get backed up and we will need more pilots in the seats of all our aircraft to cover as these first groups get through the 175 training program. We have also been tasked by the company to operate the CRJ-700's through the end of the year and beyond. This too will require additional pilots. As you can see in this case, operational necessity wins.
Originally Envoy had planned to flow 375 pilots through in 2016. This has been tweaked slightly as former furloughed AA pilots have their last opportunity to come back and must make their decision by May. That said, the company still has to true up and current plans are for more than 300 to flow by the end of the year. Since the 6 year flow was planned at "minimum" flows, this gets us exactly where we need to be.
In the end, it's math. Some on here can't add properly or read a projection that the company has published. You will see posts stating that the current flows are 1999 hires. While that's true, it doesn't account for the remaining pilots on the list and factoring in the company's math and projections. If you were hired in January, I would absolutely expect you to be sitting in AA class no later than January of 2022. Actually, looking at the projections, it very well could be the latter half of 2021.
Also, looking at the planned upgrades for 2016, 250, that factors in and works out to be exactly a 2.5 year upgrade for you.
A piece of advice. It's great to get information anywhere you can, but you'll soon realize that here there are some who cannot stand seeing that Envoy is having great success with the flow. They may have taken a long time to upgrade at Envoy and when they see a new guy come on board and upgrade in 2.5 years, it rubs them the wrong way. It shouldn't, as they are flowing as well, but for some reason it doesn't sit well with them.
Just focus on your training and doing the best job that you can. Envoy has a great contract and you will have good quality of life as you move up the seniority ladder and directly into that seat at AA.