Originally Posted by Out Of Trim

The only regional that doesn't require them that I'm aware of is SkyWest. There may be a few others but, actually, many if not most are requiring training agreements. And, I fail to see how somebody would consider that to be unfair.

First of all, when you consider all of the costs involved in training somebody to the point where they're ready for IOE, $15000 to $20000 is a pretty realistic number IMO. Add in the cost of ATP-CTP and it's even more. Do you really see it as fair if somebody then leaves right afterwards to sign on with another company because they pay more or are offering a bonus? If the shoes were switched and you were the one who paid to train them I think you'd look at it a lot differently.

Secondly, since nobody forced you (when I say you, I mean that generically, I don't actually mean "you") to sign and you chose to do it then what? Should you be allowed to buy a car and then be allowed to keep it when you welch on the payments? How does one even develop that kind of mentality? The big, bad world just doesn't work that way. And, I think you're wrong ... if the entire class refused to sign then every last one of them would be shown the door while the company just waited for the next batch of more reasonable and responsible people to show up. The opportunities for employment and training are far better now industry-wide than they've ever been. In that regard, nobody has a thing to complain about. Wages are a different story though.