We can use whatever gaps in hiring to try to explain the current upgrade DOH marker, but the issue still remains that there are many hundreds of our pilots that will need to upgrade to make the hypothetical Charlie Bucket marker.

That's what will need to happen to get a newhire from zero to left seat in 2.5 years.

Is it possible at some point for a new hire to make it to the left seat in 2.5 years? Sure... But they keep moving the goalposts of when the 2.5 starts.