Originally Posted by
eaglefly
It's amusing to listen to you talk about "constantly shifting 30,000 foot views" in an effort to justify the sudden and frequent let downs that are thrown at Envoy pilots to deflect responsibility for negative developments, yet at the same time trumpet specifics and certainties when it comes to the dispensement of attractive but questionable carrots when it serves the needs of those other then the pilots. Let's face it, the emotional yo-yo existence that is fostered upon Envoy pilots is a chosen tactic even if many of them bear the responsibility for falling for it again and again.
As for the "mind blowing" feeling watching "super qualified" pilots leave Envoy, you do realize that for many, the opinion is that anyone who does choose to stay at Envoy and flow is usually seen as a toothless knuckle-dragger with a closet full of skeletons and is flowing because they couldn't get hired elsewhere. Perhaps in the future, many of the flows to AA can have annual barbecues to compare skeletons ?
Ordinarily I wouldn't bother responding to you since you don't even work here. But you bring up an interesting point that I think is crucial for current Envoy pilots as well as those considering Envoy.
The "shifting views from 30,000 feet" are just that. You may not have noticed but the regional landscape has shifted significantly over the past 5 years. It's apparent with the applicants we are getting and why we are still turning them away. In the end, we are hiring an AA pilot and quite a few applicants as of late haven't met that standard.
What happens when the environment changes is that the company may move to an alternate version of the same plan or a different one altogether. In Envoy's case, it's been a mix. Believe it or not, a cost has been put on the flow and when the numbers come out at the end, an Envoy pilot is compensated
above what a Compass and Republic pilot are just to name two. And this is with Republic's new contract as well. I would think anyone with any sense would place Envoy several rungs higher on the ladder when just looking at the two carriers above alone not even considering pay.
How is that possible you ask? Take a look at an Envoy pilot's career vs. a Republic pilot's career from Day one of Indoc. The overall compensation curve is slightly lower on the front end of the Envoy pilot up until close to the 6 year mark when said pilot flows to American Airlines. Then, the curve skyrockets in favor of the Envoy/AA pilot. AAG is committed to providing a lifetime "cradle to grave" career path for pilots hired at Envoy. When you equate that with a Republic pilot who may spend up to 8 years or longer beyond when the Envoy pilot flows at said company
just trying to get to their next step, you may begin to understand how this costing formula makes sense. This particular costing metric is the driver on how the Envoy pilot literally blows the Republic pilot away on the earnings scale.
I would suggest that
all Envoy pilots take a look at this and compare yourselves appropriately. We've already received outstanding news this week from the company. I fully expect to hear more good news very soon. Yes, it's still "mind blowing" to me why ANY Envoy pilot would leave when the opportunity of a lifetime has already been given to you.