Originally Posted by cr700

Ordinarily I wouldn't bother responding to you since you don't even work here. But you bring up an interesting point that I think is crucial for current Envoy pilots as well as those considering Envoy.

The "shifting views from 30,000 feet" are just that. You may not have noticed but the regional landscape has shifted significantly over the past 5 years. It's apparent with the applicants we are getting and why we are still turning them away. In the end, we are hiring an AA pilot and quite a few applicants as of late haven't met that standard.

What happens when the environment changes is that the company may move to an alternate version of the same plan or a different one altogether. In Envoy's case, it's been a mix. Believe it or not, a cost has been put on the flow and when the numbers come out at the end, an Envoy pilot is compensated above what a Compass and Republic pilot are just to name two. And this is with Republic's new contract as well. I would think anyone with any sense would place Envoy several rungs higher on the ladder when just looking at the two carriers above alone not even considering pay.

How is that possible you ask? Take a look at an Envoy pilot's career vs. a Republic pilot's career from Day one of Indoc. The overall compensation curve is slightly lower on the front end of the Envoy pilot up until close to the 6 year mark when said pilot flows to American Airlines. Then, the curve skyrockets in favor of the Envoy/AA pilot. AAG is committed to providing a lifetime "cradle to grave" career path for pilots hired at Envoy. When you equate that with a Republic pilot who may spend up to 8 years or longer beyond when the Envoy pilot flows at said company just trying to get to their next step, you may begin to understand how this costing formula makes sense. This particular costing metric is the driver on how the Envoy pilot literally blows the Republic pilot away on the earnings scale.

I would suggest that all Envoy pilots take a look at this and compare yourselves appropriately. We've already received outstanding news this week from the company. I fully expect to hear more good news very soon. Yes, it's still "mind blowing" to me why ANY Envoy pilot would leave when the opportunity of a lifetime has already been given to you.