Originally Posted by
The Revenge
The top pay on the current contract was higher then jetblue, AA, USAir, and United at the time it was signed. That's certainly not taking the industry backwards.
The wages will come around. The stall tactics and management dragging things out have gone on since the inception of this industry.
Which is why some on here and many others in the industry will never stop crying and *****ing. Best thing to do is get out of the industry.
Same **** goes on at every carrier. Wait for another downturn, the legacies will be first to furlough and give up concessions.
12 year captain pay at dos was 143.30 which is the apples to apples comparison
What was the 12 year pay at the airlines you mentioned? I know Usair was around $130 as the worst and Continental was about $170 if I recall correctly. Not sure where the others sat but I can tell you the spirit pay wasn't winning any awards. By the time the $185 rates hit pay checks everyone had renegotiated so we never were the top of anything. Year 12 is actually still only $169.70.
It's a complete myth the contract 2010 was ever industry leading in pay. Don't even get me started on SCOPE, LTD, or retirement and how a match is hurting us. We have never led in any of these categories.
Everyone should know that United and American negotiate again in just three years in 2019. United will be paying 12 year Airbus captains $258.25 and 6 year captains $246.64 (how that for slope) and 6 year fos $160.82 and 12 year fos $176.39. All of them will also be getting 16% of everything they make (capped at $53k not $18k like us) put into their retirement accounts. Also getting an unknown profit sharing check too if profits continue.
Where will we be in January 2019? If we have a contract how many years will be left on it. Will we have numbers that beat what United has as they re-enter negotiations? What will delta have negotiated in the mean time? united has "me too" with them. Where will southwest be? My guess is we will be playing back the mistakes of contract 2010 again. I think when delta gets a contract we will be seeing near $300 narrow body captains and over $400 widebody captains. I sure hope we aren't sitting there in 2019 with 3 years left on our contract and another 3+ to negotiate saying, "man $180 4th yr capt and $240 12 year capt at dos+4 and a 9% match and 3% defined contribution didn't look so bad when we signed it.
If we think the bar got raised a lot this time I have a feeling in the middle of our next contract it going even higher while we sit waiting again. Let's not let that happen. We need to settle for nothing short of HUGE at this point.