First I'd like to say that I don't believe AAG and Envoy management are doing enough to attract and retain pilots. They're going to have to offer more to keep this place staffed and the flow rolling. Recent actions have shown that maybe they are starting to realize this, and hopefully more improvements will follow. If the flow fails, then ufortunately I feel Envoy will as well, and I think management knows this as well.

Having said that, I know 580750 personally. This person is one of my favorite captains at Eag... err Envoy (ORDinary you're up there on the list, too .) Anyone who thinks that once they obtain 1-2000 hours turbine PIC a major will be calling is smoking something they aren't legally allowed to. This person has been ACTIVELY working hard to get out over the past several years: LCA, well over 5k TPIC, clean record, multiple job fairs/meet & greets, plenty of connections and letters of recommendation from pilots at majors (including LCAS and domicile chief pilots,) volunteer work, you name it. They have been told by recruiters on several occasions that "...you are exactly what we are looking for." In short, said pilot is a perfect candidate for a major, and exactly where I would want to position myself for a major. And yet, they didn't receive a single interview invite, and where are they going? American, via the flow.

To say the flow has little to no value, now or in the future, is ridiculous. This person is living proof of that. And the kicker is there are hundreds, if not thousands, of pilots out there who are equally qualified or better. Does the flow have as much value as AAG thinks it does? Personally I don't think so, and the lack of abundant new hires corroborates this. However, the Envoy-bashing and flow-hating parade on this forum is starting to become really tiresome. It is a solid backup plan for most and we're not all hanging our hats on it working exactly as planned.

While it is true that AAG COULD stop the flow due to staffing somewhere down the road, this is purely speculation and would undoubtedly lead to a staffing implosion as junior FOs start to bail. I could just as easily speculate that AAG will make the wholly owneds the only path to American and if you're not at a wholly owned you have no chance at American.

Envoy certainly has its problems, which have been repeated here ad naseum. I just can't figure out why some folks on here have to continually try to "prove" that the flow won't work in the future. Why do you care? I wonder what your true motivation is, besides "enlightening" the potential new hires? I'm sure you also "enlighten" them by giving facts, like Envoy sending roughly 500 pilots to American via the flow over the past 2 or so years, right? Again, Envoy is certainly not the perfect place to work, but the pilot group is awesome and as of today a new hire will have a future job secured at American. Why do some of you have such a hard-on for Envoy's failure?