Originally Posted by
Skyvector
I hope you are not a Mod who actually says those things...but Ok, I'll try to put this as eloquently as possible. And I'm honest to God trying not to be combative.
Well, I thought I'd be out until very late, but no.......
Honest to god, I will try to reach you on a serious level too and not be combative, but disagreement is not combat.
Originally Posted by
Skyvector
We get what eaglefly's point is. He speculates-his opinion-that Envoy's flow will stop in the future for reasons A and B. Ok, got it. He made that point over and over about 2,000 posts ago.
The fact that he keeps hammering away daily is a problem. The fact that he doesn't work at Envoy is an even bigger problem. And the fact that his continued beating of a dead horse causes every single thread go kaput is the biggest problem of all. And where are the Mods in all of this? Nowhere to be seen.
I looked over my post history on this thread and saw very little of "hammering away daily" at Envoy projections or flow claims. I had to go back 16 posts to find a reference. The posts after that were all defensive in nature from several individuals with the same history, so that claim is not supported by the facts. This forum has a universal philosophy of not limiting anyone from posting in any forum, yet for some reason you and others want special control to decide who does and does not post on a thread with Envoy in the topic. Envoy pilots post on other forums and I don't see that same demand made elsewhere by others to the degree it is made here, if at all.
Originally Posted by
Skyvector
Before you play the victim card again, eaglefly...you are entitled to your opinion. It's just that you have already made it. Another 5,000 posts from you working people up is not required. Another 5,000 posts of you passing your opinion off as facts is really off base....and seeing as how you DO NOT work at Envoy it would be prudent for you to back off. I would never dream of going to another airline's thread I don't work for and pulling half the stunts you do with Envoy. And the same goes for your gang of ag386, sayalt, and others who don't work here.
...and you are not playing a victim card here ? You and others also have made their opinions known repeatedly, yet you demand carte blanche to do so unfettered and unquestioned ? I don't see this as a forum rule. I'm sorry. Apparently, you consider questioning what is represented or defending myself from what can only be considered an onslaught of personal attack as a "stunt", but that can be viewed equally in opposition to you and others as well.
Originally Posted by
Skyvector
Don't try to manipulate this situation as you always do by claiming it is Envoy pilots who try to pass opinion off as facts. That is your signature manipulative move and it's rotten. If an Envoy pilots presents the flow numbers as they exist, that is a fact. If you don't like the numbers, it doesn't make them less true. If an Envoy pilot can look ahead and count how many pilots are above him and use basic calculations to predict when he will be at AA, those are facts based on the current reality. Again, just because you don't like it doesn't make it less true.
Yes, you can make those assumptions, but others are just as proper in questioning them as that....assumption, as when looking forward into the future, there is no such thing as fact. It's done on other forums and Envoy isn't special......or is it ?
Originally Posted by
Skyvector
But I digress. This is my one and only attempt to reach eagefly on a serious level. It's probably a complete waste of time. An even bigger waste of time would be asking the Mods to do anything about it. I'm starting to believe that whomever runs the Regional board is part of the group who has it out for Envoy. There is no other explanation for letting this nonsense go on.
It sounds like our ability to communicate might indeed be a waste of time for both of us. You know, in the past, one tack has been to accuse my of being a conspiracy theorist in some of the things I see on these Envoy forums, but now you imply the mods now are part of some group that has it out for Envoy and I think that is seriously misguided. Perhaps they are simply allowing free discussion of issues and topics and not succumbing to demands for censorship of people who have points of view that annoy others ?
In the interest of diffusing the situation, why don't we ALL simply avoid discussion of projections and assumptions regarding upgrade and flow as it seems to be the basis for conflict which some simply cannot tolerate ? Hard information that is undisputed and has already occurred should be no problem as who can argue with that ?
I'm trying my best to minimize conflict, but I cannot agree that some members demanding others be "run off the forum" like that advocated at EL occur here. It simply isn't fair.