de727ups - ok for about the millonth time in my life i'm going to step back and eat some humble pie. Your are right that most forums creep ,however, this "debate" started on the secound post. however you are right it wouldn't have gotten nearly off this much if I wouldn't have ranted so for that I apologize. I should have let you give me your opinion so a question for you just to know from someone with experiance what is the right "hour level" to start applying? Thanks and sorry for being a craby little prick.

oldveedubs - I understand all that but on all of those airlines i would have to commute PSA I would not so are their work rules and pay bad enough to warrent commuting? I really don't know. I've been reading through the forums and most people seem pretty happy at PSA granted the pay isn't great but i'm not expecting much until upgrade anyway. FYI I get around 30hr per month at my current airport manager / CFI job and every once and awile about every other week some free twin time. So six months would only be about 180hrs.

thanks for all the input