There are a handful here who paint Envoy in the best possible light.

I've been here 15 1/2 years and can tell you that over the past 4 years, life has gone downhill at an incredible pace and hasn't recovered. Management has always been hostile here but in the past 4 years, it has deteriorated further.

These guys here are trying to sell you on short upgrades and quick flow. I have yet to flow after 15 1/2 years. I don't expect that long of a wait for a new hire today. But I would expect to spend 10 years here. They need new hires so that the junior after the 824 can flow. They seem to be getting only about 25-30% of what they need monthly. That is an absolute for you if you are considering Envoy. This flow must have new hires to work.

Bottom line is there are better choices right now. Endeavor would be at the top of my list if I were a new hire today. The folks here trying to push you to Envoy today need you below them so they can one day flow. Life here is not very good and the few here stating otherwise are not representative of 95% of the Envoy pilot ranks.