Originally Posted by
eaglefly
Yes, I agree that some of my considerations are perceived as inflammatory, but I think that is in large part because many simply cannot tolerate consideration of that which they percieve to be unfavorable to their interests. Regarding the flow and mergers/acquisitions and resulting SLI's, Envoy has the highest number of flows in bodies, but in percentages it's not that superior to the other WO's. The "career expectation" of that is really only the minimum flow rate and what would that be for PP's, 25/month or about 17% of the pilot group per year ? If merged with another WO, I don't think that aspect of career expectation would have enough difference to alter seniority that much, but even so, I don't see special treatment for Envoy pilots in an SLI based on that. Just my opinion though. An SLI with a non-owned regional might involve a more senior pilot group with better status and category weight. It might be that AAG would make any integration including Envoy contingent on agreement by ALPA for equal benefit for AA flow to all based on the final ISL.
The ending percentage of post-DOS pilots is roughly equal to other WOs' but the protected pilots' is greater. So while I agree that a post-dos pilot would likely experience a more seniority based integration, that's less likely for those that are PP. I also find it amusing that the despised management letters touting the flow could be used to assist in establishing what exactly the career expectations were. Clearly neither of us are on this hypothetical committee, but it's evident that such a process would be heavily focused on exactly this.
I know it might be painful to face, but you simply have to consider that possibility. Envoy's fleet assets really only presently include 40 jets that would be of value (E-175) as the CRJ's are still likely to leave for fleet commonality purposes and the rest are obsolete birds that will dissolve as the pilots needed to fly them disappear, which like it or not continue to leave making Envoy still a presently shrinking airline. What if only a partial merger occurs with Envoy (or is even offered as the even less attractive option if ALPA demands special consideration in flow slots in an SLI) ?
As far as outside attrition goes, it's surprisingly flat according to ALPA.
As the company continues kicking the proverbial CRJ-can down the road, it has become clear that PSA is unable to accept those planes without altering their current delivery schedules. There has been no announcement of that, so at this point it's reasonable to say that those 700s aren't going anywhere soon.
Apparently things are now moving quickly at the RAH bankruptcy. Someone posted a letter basically saying that 20 some AA planes would be cut. They referenced a late april deadline so we'll see what happens. That could affect how they deal with the aforementioned CRJs.
The 145s have some drop dead date that is years from now so that's not really a factor in any of this. It's too far down the line. There will be consolidation before that happens. They added 2 (I believe) from the desert this month to use for revenue...
Would ALPA or Envoy pilots pick the best of two options or the worst ?
Personally, while I know it's more comfortable to slam your fist down so to speak in believing what you "own" regarding the future flow, I think that's simply another aspect of being more cautious on expectations so as to avoid future disappointment. Again, this is simply my opinion, so hopefully it shouldn't be too upsetting.
No one is slamming their fist down. You just elicit a similar response from people for other reasons. I don't see why you'd be concerned about future disappointment for envoy pilots.
