Old 04-11-2016 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by UpAndAway
Good evening, everyone. Long-time lurker, first time poster.

I hope my comments below don't come across as negative. Simply trying to better understand people's viewpoints on JB's program.

A common theme from opponents on this thread is simply because they've endured years of low pay and undesirable conditions, therefore, all aspiring pilots have to as well in order to be respected. Isn’t accepting that trend simply perpetuating the negative facets of the industry that experienced pilots on these forums complain about so openly?

I’m also unsure why some accept the idea that the regionals are a stepping stone. If you’re comfortable with a FO operating a SkyWest CRJ at 1,500 hours then there’s no reason the same shouldn’t apply to an E190 with a JetBlue logo on the tail. Regardless of airline, there are human lives at stake and the standard should be the same.

With that said, I do agree that if there are more experienced and qualified candidates readily waiting, those spots should always be given ahead of anyone going through an ab-initio program. I do not want a shortcut, but the current path towards a decent career in the airlines is so hard to stomach something has to change. Maybe life and pay in the regionals isn't as bad as they say, but I've browsed these forums long enough to know that it seems to be the consensus.

What I believe will inevitability happen, similar to what CTC and CAE already do in Europe, is that more airlines will employ similar ab-initio programs and begin covering part of the cost (unlike what JB are doing), reducing the burden for students while ensuring airlines have their rosters met. Maybe not in the next five years, but perhaps in 10-20 years.

Outside of this program, the current (and traditional) path for me is to continue training at my local flight school (where I've gone through three instructors), pay $50,000 more (added to my degree's debt), and accumulate 1,500 hours buzzing around the pattern in a 172. All the while being paid an hourly wage as a CFI, receive no training in CRM or airline operations, and then get hired by a Regional where I'll make $20,000-$40,000 less than the job I currently have and received out of college. Do this for 10 years until I'm lucky enough to get hired by a Major.

I understand experience and safety is paramount in aviation, but there has to be a better way to train and incentivize aspiring pilots.

Thanks.
The current path is hard to stomach? That is what we call "experience." Nothing that is worth having comes easy and if it comes easy its not worth having. You aren't talking an entry level job here, you are talking a potential long term, high paying career. You think that should be obtainable with 150k and a pulse? The regionals are what they are and yes, they put people right seat at 1500 hours in a jet. This has unfortunately become an accepted risk because there is simply no other option. The majors demand better, the passengers demand better and your captain will demand better.

You simply do not know what you do not know. You'll go to them on day 1 after IOE and likely be sharp with the systems, you will have your flows down and run a checklist quite well. I'm sure you will be very proficient on the box and manipulate the autopilot as good as the next guy. What you likely will not do is provide any real value should an outside the book abnormal arise. Weather avoidance? Ice? Windshear? Contaminated surfaces? You simply do not know because you have never been there, let alone been there potentially hundreds of times. I can say with confidence that 95%+ pilots there have and have real word advice based on real world experience. Youll get there but they may not have time for that. They need a second pilot NOW, not 2000 hours from now when you start to gain a modicum of experience. Its not even these big things, you will have no concept of how the flow of an airport like ORD or JFK operates, who to call, when to call, when to read back, when not. While not everyone has this experience, they have other experiences that catch them up to speed rather quickly. In the end, everyone will try to justify their choices. Everyone who participates in this gateway will justify it any way that they can. Just don't expect to be welcomed with open arms from the pilot group, they aren't your peers.

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