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Old 05-03-2016 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Scott Stoops
I think we both agree on your last point.

Here is the real gist on den. Not that it matter as it can't be undone.

The company opened a 737 base in Denver and it was staffed by cal pilots. Tpa, training restrictions, whatever. That's the reality. It was staffed by very junior (by lual history) cal pilots.

Fast fwd couple of years when lual can now bid the guppy in Denver post sli and it goes very senior. The junior cal guys are still there on the list. Fast fwd a little more and they shrink Denver and bump the junior most cal off the bottom of the list. Still very junior however. Fast fwd a little more and they bump the bottom of the 320 and close the 757 base in Denver. Because of the very junior bottom of the list basically the entire 757 base in Denver (cap and Fo) can now hold den 737 cap. Most take it (who wouldn't?) Also, there is the whole training debacle where guys aren't trained in time so they exercise the bump to wherever. The super junior 737 den cap position outlined above allows many to hold something they are way out of seniority for as a result.

Compare the 320 to the guppy. Junior 320 cap is around 4200 in Denver. Junior 737 cap is 7400. It is 100% due to the awarding to cal pilots den cap dramatically out of seniority. Same thing happened in Ord. Ord is different though because they have actually grown it so the seniority has normalized a bit. Denver has shrunk by almost half.
This will play out soon enough in SFO. The junior 787 Captain pre fence-drop was in the 3000's. Now you better be in the top 500 to bid it. When they park the 400's there will be an opportunity for many 400 FO's to bump to 787 Cap that would be 2000 numbers from sniffing it today. In the meantime, a LUAL pilot with seniority of 3000 will stuck in the 737, A320 or 756 unable to bid to the 787 left even though there are pilots junior to them in the seat.

If it sounds like I'm complaining, I'm not. This is the way these things go sometimes, and in this particular case, the fences were a LUAL idea so it would be hypocritical of me to suggest they were "unfair". I look at our FA's and am glad that we as a pilot group managed to get past the arguing and move forward as one group.
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