Well I think you're a disgruntled tool bag who flips around everything I say, so no that tune hasn't changed. My post was to highlight the reasons why we're not getting new-hires. Do I agree with these new-hires? No. I've always been someone who looks for long term, rather then short term rewards and I find that envoy is a place that will get a new-hire a better long-term reward. If some 23 year old kid is butt hurt that he's not going to upgrade after a year or have to slug it out commuting to reserve (god forbid, it's not like none of us had to do that), then that's his prerogative. Go to Mesa or Compass or Skywest, upgrade a little bit earlier (BIG maybe), and then try getting on with one of the big 3. Let me know how that goes!

I've said it time and time again that if you go that route and you want to get on with AA, Delta, or United then you better work your ass off networking or be prior military (or both). Basically jump through a ton of hoops on your time off in hopes of getting that interview. Otherwise, have fun at a LCC. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just that we all have different career goals. My career goal is to be at AA.