Despite your convictions, I have no agenda for or against present Envoy pilots. If I did, I would ONLY post pro or anti-Envoy, which unlike certain others (on both directions), I don't (although I'm convinced you and a few others think I do). But it's tough to argue that Envoy seems to have a real penchant for steam-rolling their pilots in ways other carriers don't, far more so then in the past. My original bone was with the claims made about both the anticipated upgrade and flow times, the first of which has been flat out debunked and the latter in serious question.

The rest is virtually all emotional embellishment by those who are frustrated and angry and don't want to hear what may be the reality. They were (and some still are) more blissful in hopeful fantasy, even if it is a mirage. I've long ago concluded many there are simply too far gone and beyond hope, but if there was any agenda, it was geared toward giving those not yet hopeless some foundation to better weather a likely treacherous path should they choose Envoy.