Originally Posted by
Packrat
This is exactly why you slot the 9 year VX Captains with the 9 year AS Captains and ratio the list down from there. But I'm pretty sure you're gonna have VX guys make the argument, "My career expectation was to be the #1 Captain on my SLI, so I should go to the top of the AS list."
Sorry, but that's not even close to what ALPA defines as "career expectations." Career expectations means the expectation of holding a wide body position PERIOD. Since neither of these two airlines have wide bodies, the whole career expectations argument is a moot point. You cannot extrapolate the term to mean something YOU think it is....retirement position, seniority number, non-rev status, etc. It means one thing and one thing only: When you got hired did your airline have wide bodies on the property?
two different things here packrat. your slotting of 2007 doh guys does not meet the third tenet of ALPA merger policy which is a fair and equitable result. you are correct career expectation only means narrowbody versus wide body and that is the same for both pilot groups. this tenet of the ALPA merger policy for us is negligible because its the same narrowbody. the second tenet is longevity and as i said before the alaska group has more longevity so in the SLI process they will get more of an advantage for it. the fair and equitable tenet will prevent what you want which is slotting the most senior virgin guy with the most junior anchorage captain hired 2007. that is not a fair nor an equitable result for a capt in the top 10% to be leveled at an alaska captain at the very bottom of the list. the other important point is no one at virgin demanded anything. i know little about the virgin #1 guy but hes a humble individual and in no way making demands or saying anything. no one is spewing that virgin guys from 2007 want to be next to Alaska guys from 1980. virgin is pretty quiet here. let the process play itself out. both committees will represent their pilots. the only childish and immature posts are from your side with the likes of eskimojoe saying dont even vote on a jcba so he can force our lists to be separate. what an absolute assinine and ignorant statement to make. the last thing we need is giving management the ability to whipsaw this new airline as two separate groups. we need a unified single voice. now let's first get a kick ass jcba before we bring the pitchforks for seniority discussions. the ball is in the pilot court with oil prices low and profits very high.