Originally Posted by Smutter

In late May 2015 Captain Ric Wilson told the Envoy pilots that all prospective new hires are “projected to make Captain at Envoy within 2.5 years and projected to flow through to American within 6 years of date of hire.”

Shortly thereafter, our good friend Charlie Bucket was hired. How is he doing?

The 2.5/6-year projection shared by management and recruitment was a large contributing factor to his decision to come to Envoy. Charlie is a fantastic pilot that has been a model employee in his year of service to Envoy. Mr. Bucket is still on reserve, and might hold a line by the end of the year, approximately 18 months after being hired. Charlie has approximately 530 pilots ahead of him before he can upgrade, excluding any who bypass or resign. If we continue to upgrade at our current rate, and with reasonably expected attrition, Charlie Bucket will upgrade in November 2018 – approximately 3.5 years after date of hire.


Why would anyone come here. Charlie bucket will spend 2.1 yrs at best on reserve. Get a 1.4 yrs of line holder. Then another 3 years on reserve. So coming here you will do 5.1 yrs of reserve, then maybe flow at year 7 at best. We have horrible reserve rules. Whatever FAR says, that is what are reserve rules are. Our schedules are crappy, it's almost better to be on reserveand, as I said reserve sucks here.