Originally Posted by
eaglefly
I find it interesting you lement several aspects of what you see as divisive actions by others (APA, LAA pilots, West pilots), yet concurrently foster division of your own by once again making LAA pilots the bad guys and the enemy of all (while concurrently belittling the other segment of this 3-legged pilot stool). Obviously, you're miffed about why APA didn't embrace USAPA lovingly with respect, but considering USAPA's past, not just the Nic, but their multiple instances of intransigence and apple cart tipping pre-merger, during the merger and since the merger, it's understandable to do that would have probably scrapped the merger anyway and would have been pretty stupid. Hey, I wish they had been stupid...........well, OK MORE stupid and DID scrap the merger (or at least delay it until the equation was different and we didn't inherit Parker/Kirby), but that is water under the bridge now.
The insinuation that the MOU will prevent a "fair and equitable" SLI would indicate that the arbitrators are incapable of dissecting all information, claims and arguments making them, in essence, incompetent. There are obviously many emotional positions on this ominous situation, but all should be comfortable that whatever the arbitrators decide, it is them that is the fair and equitable standard and not the various integration committees or respective pre-merger pilot groups opinions. I guess the ISL will tell the story of whether the arbitrators got all relevant information to do that.
For someone making $300K, I guess it's fun scoffing at the tedious concerns of those junior who don't make $300K, but I think that's in poor taste, not unlike the senior captain showing pictures of all his expensive flying, floating and dancing toys to the recent furloughed returnee with a decade of financial struggle and upheaval in his lunch pail. For someone who claims to be at peace, you still seem to carry a lot of baggage that you don't admit. But hey, since your definition of seniority is money, you should have no peccadillos with the ISL when it comes out as you already have what you need and it's coming from that which you respect, the company. Great, but you do realize that is the foundation of AAPSIC's model, that being the pre-merger then present and future projections (PMCE) are based on...............yup, you guessed it, M-O-N-E-Y, yes ?
Based on that then, you should be validating many aspects of the AAPSIC's integration model, but I know you have way too much indifference and anger for that and I assume you believe that all the "money" you now are making was brought BY you to the merger table and/or the altruism of your beloved management and had nothing to do with an entity or pilot group that you believe snubbed you.
Whatever gets you through the day...............
You were NOT THERE when the APA pilots came to the USAPA offices with their "tails" between their legs. I was. Do you know who was the President of APA at the time? You may have your "opinion" EagleFly but you DO NOT HAVE THE FACTS. When some of the "legs of the stool" are sawed off by the one sitting on it how long do you think the stool will hold up? Your analogy, not mine. OCCUPATIONAL SENIORITY means only that if it is applied to ALL....not just new hires but TOP OF THE LIST as well. This is a discussion about OCCUPATIONAL SENIORITY. If some don't get it....the legs of the stool cause it to be unstable and the MONEY is all you have left.
As for USAPA, of which YOUR pontification about is simple: the West didn't want ANY reconciliation with the East and that is OUR albatross that ALL pilots here will assume from this point forward. Using arbitrators to decide what EVERY OTHER UNION ON THIS PROPERTY HAS EMBRACED.....OCCUPATIONAL SENIORITY.....is the straw that breaks the union and the APA.
If USAPA had indeed caused the merger to be scrapped, it wasn't US that was in trouble. It was AMR. If you can read bankruptcy transcripts (which I doubt you can) everyone outside of Hortons bathroom knew standalone AMR was inferior to United/Delta power and NEEDED US Airways which was making MILLIONS. Those are FACTS you always WISH TO OVERLOOK.
I "scoff" at "the tedious concerns" because those JUNIOR (like you) that "scoff" at MY OCCUPATIONAL SENIORITY (while ESCHEWING AAPSIC....hope that isn't too big a word for you) seem to make mountains out of molehills you think validate your own "importance" in the grand scheme of things. What you call "anger" I call "busting your hypocritical chops". I get the MOST HAPPY enjoyment watching guys like YOU Eaglefly twist in the wind tilting at windmills trying to DEFEND your beloved APA all the while watching the Company give all of us more money and the best career in the industry while Kirby continues to "thumb his nose" (rightly so, I might add) at the "superior intellect" and "brain trust" that call themselves the APA. Yes, the AALSIC put M-O-N-E-Y before principle which gave us McCaskill-Bond. Another history lesson you always overlook.
The DISCRIMINATORY actions of the APA and the AAPSIC argument speaks for itself. And you are right: the AAPSIC wants MORE money for THEMSELVES. Every copilot I fly with understand the SCREWING they get from the APA pay anyway on the fanciful believe that they are "protected" from contract violation when in FACT a quick call and/or visit to the Chief pilot will clear up the issue. Heck, the contract hotline guys DON"T EVEN KNOW THE CONTRACT.
But evidently M-O-N-E-Y is obviously no problem for you paying for something you don't get.
So tell me Mr. History....who WAS the President of APA when they visited the USAPA offices????