yea that s what I meant the 28th, hotel the 27th, i havent gotten then package in the mail yet.....and for freezingflyboy, for the 3 days i was at the ASA headquarters, their recruiting and traning dept. look great....I know the drill w ASA , its not the greatest place right now since they have no contract and there are things that need to be worked out like I said. I do not have SJS, I am trying to start a career like everyone else. EVery company has it s problems no matter what industry.