Originally Posted by The Juice

I will preface this with: from what I have known of you on these forums, I like you and you seem to be a very pragmatic guy here at Spirit.

And im sorry but telling any new hire that upgrade is 2.5 years right now and they just as easily can see a 2.5 year upgrade vs a 5 year upgrade is exactly the mantra of management and their basis for low pay here. Fornaro and Baldanza have both said on earnings calls that "Spirit will get First Officers to the left seat quicker than legacy airlines" when referencing the pay disparity.

It also is a bet unsettling to know we have pilots in the training environment with out new pilots telling new hires "Ive made more here in 3 years than my entire career," and supporting the belief that things are great as long as it is better than the regional you came from. Of course it should be better than any regional, not something to reinforce to new pilots.

And my reference to the regional industry was about basing career decisions on speculation and hope. Many regional pilots will make lateral decision or decisions to go to a certain regional based on speculation of growth and orders. Pilots should not be coming here with that same mindset.

Attrition and it increasing is our greatest strength right now in achieving a new contract and we should hope it will increase with pilots hired and then decide to leave within their first year. Drilling in their head a fairy tale that upgrade is 2.5 years and can be for them too only makes the argument for them to stay stronger, hurting possible attrition.

Im not saying it has to be doom and gloom with new hires, but take a page out of any earnings report and remind them "Past performance is not indicative of future results" when telling them how much money you are making, how quick you upgraded and how much better it is here than a regional