Originally Posted by
trustbutverify
Ok, help me understand your posts here. The first post insinuates no growth (I think), then the next post says we're growing?
Also, I take issue with your logic in the second quoted post. You want to rush to introduce what looks like a mechanism for stagnation (longevity system) while we are hiring. Essentially, you are suggesting we trick the new hires into trapping themselves into a company with ZERO growth at the top and a newly adopted longevity system that would screw them even more WRT QOL. "Welcome to Delta, you may get pay raises but expect your QOL to suck for the rest of your career".
Was this longevity idea introduced by the company, DALPA, or just you?
It comes down to a simple question: Do you want more money or do you want to fly a big shiny jet? Under the current and any future pay schemes, we will still only have 18 777s. Your likelihood is slim of flying them with ANY QOL unless you got hired like Timbo at 14 years old. So why do we still double down on this scheme? Again and again, and wonder why our career earnings are less than UAL or AAL. Maybe you haven't done the math yet. I urge you to do so.
So let's look at the newly minted UPS agreement. If our 76ER Captains get the rates that UPS got (+ some percentage), how much will 2x4(330) and 777 drivers be getting above that? It is somewhat rhetorical. BTW, I said way before TA15 when I saw the contract comparisons come out that the UPS 76-300 payrates were the baseline at THAT time.
When it comes to stagnation, I really don't understand why everyone has their panties in such a bunch. We are hiring 1000/year, and soon will be retiring 800/year. Stagnation is not a factor. If we made a change to the pay scheme now, instead of waiting until 10 years from now, and perception of stagnation will not be noticed.
This is a completely rhetorical discussion, because I know that the vast majority of guys want the biggest airplanes to pay a lot. hmpf. At least we have 18. This is completely my idea, but I highly doubt it if it is all that unique. Our career earnings will never match that of UAL or AAL based on metal alone because we will never have as much big metal as they do. Ask yourself this as well. Why does the payscale stop at 12 years? What is magical about that?
Change is scary.
Edit: The first post meant that we currently have growth, and in the event we didn't there would be no difference in the two schemes. iow, stagnation is stagnation.