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Old 07-24-2016 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Go to Delta net and read the latest negotiations update. Then go and get the seniority list and compare the number hired verses number of pilots remaining and report back on the bold faced lie.
Edit: 704 hired this year and 15 have left
What the propaganda machine won't say is:

- The number of people who have no showed for interviews
- The number who got CJOs and chose another airline
- The REAL number of no shows to class. There are ways they can fudge those numbers, depending on how they want to color it.

Bottom Line: Everybody is hiring, and everybody has people leave for another job. Just recently SWAPA posted numbers from SWA that said they have lost roughly 10 percent of their new hires in 2016, 26 new hires to be exact.
Strictly by the numbers, if you come to Delta you have well over a 50 percent chance to get a 717, MD, or a Bus. Now if you go to United, AA, SWA, FDX, or UPS you are GUARANTEED to get a better hourly paying aircraft than the 717, MD, and Bus at DAL. Some may say...but, but AA has MD80s and E190s....we'll both of those are getting retired and you don't get those aircraft as a new hire. But, but SWA has a lower 401K setup...there are still some better items to counter balance that argument...and I'm not getting into that right now.

New hires now see what their earning potential is, and they see what DAL mgmt tries to offer, especially when it comes to fleet...MD, 717, and soon to be CSeries.....a bunch of narrow bodies that will offer little to nothing compared to our peers....and small widebody future progressions. At UAL, another passenger carrier, you can be on a 777 inside of two years, and a 787 inside of three years. UAL just had a vacany bid where they had over 150 widebody FO seat openings. But, you can say because of our fleet we are doing the best financially.....okay, then I say, why doesn't management pay us and treat us accordingly? Industry leading.....Steve Dickson?

The marketplace for pilots is increasing...it has increased...and the price of our morale is on the trading block as well. Delta keeps trying to lowball it.


Would CE Woolman continually try to undercut his pilots while raking in record profits while he gives himself astronomical raises......didn't think so.

But, but, what do you mean undercut.......gut Profit Sharing, sick leave that is a joke(let's punish a few to get back at a few for allegedly abusing sick leave....and get in my records...this isn't the Soviet Union.....DONT THINK SO),vacation pay, time, training pay, hourly rates. I could list more, but I don't want carpal tunnel. Very successful progressive companies like Google offer QOL improvements and pay, because THEY KNOW how important people are to their operation.

But, but the new TA has updated sick leave....yeah and the sun is still hot, and the new sick leave still sucks.
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