Originally Posted by
cr700
More importantly, look at the big picture. Envoy is projecting Captain upgrades for new hires between the 2.5 and 3 year mark from date of hire at present.
From the most recent vacancy bid, upgrade time today is 6 years.
Secondly, first year pay may surprise you. Envoy has a 15k bonus for new hires. In addition, Envoy is offering an additional 5k bonus for new hires that accept class dates on the Embraer 145 or the CRJ-700.
Realistically, you are looking at greater than 50k on first year pay if you accept a 145 or CRJ class date.
Second year pay will **** you off. At $34.91 an hour with 75 hours on reserve, it's about $31K gross for the year.
Other carriers do have flow programs now. They are essentially copying what Envoy has successfully done. However, they are nowhere near as robust as the Envoy flow is. This should be a big factor in your decision making in coming to Envoy.
The "robust flow" envoy has is a result of an arbitration decision (824) and negotiated grievance settlement (protected pilots). After that, it drops back to the anemic PSA/PDT levels. After the 824 flow, I fully expect the company to force a "renegotiation" on us regarding the protected pilot agreement in order to preserve already stretched staffing levels here.