Originally Posted by
Jack Russell
I understand Envoy has about 2000 pilots and if accurate, for a 6 year path to AA, Envoy would have to flow about 28 pilots every month for 6 years for a pilot hired today at Envoy. Has that metric been consistently achieved so far ?
As for numbers, considering the substantial difference in pilot head count between the 3 wholly-owned's feeding AA, it's not the numbers that should be used to compare flow rates, but the percentages relative to the respective pilot group count.
This has been brought up time and time again. If you're trying to pick an argument that's one thing, otherwise I suggest you read back in previous posts. Here's a quick and dirty for you...
AA is recalling pilots. They don't have to take any flow through's during this time, but they have been. The return of recalls is a known event and not something that's suddenly taken us by surprise. We were sending 25-30/month prior, have been sending 10ish/month during (when they weren't even required to send any), and will likely go back to 30/month once the recalls are done this fall (except December, when AA doesn't run new-hire classes). As for your numbers, assuming a 2000 pilot group, with the top 400 not flowing, 1600/72(months) = 22/month necessary for a 6 year flow. This doesn't include anybody hired to airlines other then the flow. I can't even give a projection on that number, but considering we keep hearing the phrase "keep the flow in your back pocket while you apply elsewhere" I'd say the percentage of those going elsewhere before their flow number comes up is high as well, which in turn brings that necessary 22/month down even lower.