I know what you mean buggs... when I first flew the ATR.... most of the CA's were old Command Airways guys... and had flown those aircraft since delivery in France. I learned alot from the likes of ED V. and company. It was sorta the same way when I was learning to fly the Herc... the old 0-4's and 0-5's that had been around since Vietnam really could fly that plane...Vic Powers comes to mind... he was LTC in our Wing, and that muther taught me how to fly the most agressive assault approaches and landing of any instructor I ever flew with. There just isnt any substitute for lots of hands on flying experience.