ERJ Driver, you read exactly what I meant with my original post. Herc, I didn't mean that the flight crew was victims, nor did I write it. What I said was with all the factors involved in this crash, the flight crew were _becoming_ victims of circumstance. Meaning that yes, it was their mistake. However, it's a mistake I think any of us could have made under similar circumstances, and in fact several others have made this mistake. Fortunately for those crews, the runway was either long enough, the tower caught the mistake, or some other link in the chain was somehow broken.

All I'm getting at is that what we need to do is look at WHY the crew made the mistakes they made. Just because the ultimate cause of the crash was a crew mistake doesn't mean the problem died with the crash. That's all I meant.