Originally Posted by
Tanker1497
How does 22/7/7 put us compared to UPS? That's without taking into account their A plan, and their B plan is almost as good as ours. How do we compare to UPS relative to vacation, trips touching, min day, monthly guarantee (reg and res), duty day max, block hour max, cost of medical, sick leave? Looking forward to your answers on each of those provisions Cogf16. As to your FUD argument, relative to the NMB...UPS destroyed that chicken little argument. Why do you argue so hard toward mediocrity?
You're right about UPS and their rates, retirement, vacation etc. The problem is that they work for a company that has been tremendously profitable and did not go thru BK. Their contractual gains have been made steadily, not 20 or 30% at a time(like us, both up or down 20/30%) In fact, didn't their latest contract take 4 years and only netted 3% annual return(based on the 4 year wait?) And they're s always the argument someone will make that they are not in our "industry"
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for mediocrity but I'm trying to be realistic. The RLA and NMB really handcuff us on what we can do. Even though this is THE BEST NEGOTIATING ENVIRONMENT EVER AT DELTA AIR LINES, I don't think we can expect to recoup EVERYTHING we lost in BK. I will not support a mediocre TA and will absolutely stick with our current deal for as long as it takes.
Is 18/5/5 with full retro now better than 20/5/5 with a signing bonus 18 months from now? And we know how the world can change in 18 months.