Originally Posted by Sink r8

I think you can make that good point without accusing me of being misleading. I hadn't considered it.

Conversely, you have to consider the fact that the UPS deal was finally settled in a solid economic period, with low fuel costs. Combined with the factor you mention, and the tremendous savings already realized by delaying for 5 years, and it wasn't hard for UPS to make the leap. With us, on the other hand, the positive catalysts are behind us, and there is no guarantee that the economy, oil prices, event risk etc. won't play an adverse effect.

So, all I was doing was applying their timeframe to our deal. My point is that they ended up pre-funding their deal simply by virtue of the time to reach it.

Your point that we have better deals to pattern-bargain from is well-taken.

I'm not trying to come across as anything in particular. I'm the same guy I was before, during, and after P2P. I'm tired of the lack of results and infighting from this MEC. I believe that there is a serious conflict between the needs of the average pilot, and the political considerations of the 19. I think polling and surveys are being ignored. I think a small number that refuses to see the facts of our situation is having an out-sized influence on 12 reps, and I object to it. So I make no apologies about actively demanding a vote, and pointing out that the workable plan goes through effective negotiation under mediation, not strike fantasies.