Originally Posted by D Mantooth

I didn't hear all of his speeches, so I can't say one way or the other. I believe what I heard is that "at the time," we had gotten all we were going to get. The pilot group gambled that we could get more in a protracted battle. It remains to be seen if they were right.

So far, factors have changed to help us. UAL, AMR, and UPS raised the bar (they just as easily could not have). Anderson retired and Bastian is not compelled to uphold promises that were made before he took command (that just as easily could have been different). The company is still making money (anyone who's been in this industry any length of time knows that is no given).

In short, the risky gamble might still pay off. I hope to hell it does. But there are strong indications that we are trying to double down. So until we sign a contract, I think I'll hold off on opening the champagne that some seem to be drinking.