Originally Posted by gzsg

SWA scope. All Delta regional flying returned to mainline. 5000 pilots. No JV. We do all our international flying.

You are right.. sorta. If we could instantly in house the DCI flying (only way I see as possible would be to buy them all and staple them). We'd need a few less total pilots than DCI currently uses. Because we wouldn't want their rates and once we applied our rates DL would likely cut some of the flying. And we'd have the ability to bid 50 seater Capt.. any takers? International isn't that easy. Some of our flying is enabled by the international feed and wouldn't otherwise exist. Some of our gate/slot access over the years has been enabled by the JVs. We don't have a decent partner in Japan: how is that working? A few years ago we had zero access to LHR. Neither AMR nor UAL does all their own international flying. You want to know the key? Better OD cities and better partners: that is my opinion and I'm right. I agree our scope protections should be better with stiff penalties.

No PBS. 15% more pilots. 2000 additional pilots. Not saying we should drop PBS, just comparing apples to apples. SWA has no PBS.

OK...apples to apples? Does SWA use 15% more pilots pr hour than DL? No way. I can't get there. A computer program can easily manipulate the available trips to build the minimum number of lines: Its just a math/sorting problem. 15% no posible way. Talk QOL. Senior would not like going back to lines. People who bid RLL and low time or stack their months to allow WS/GS/mini vacation would have less ability to do so.

Trips touching vacation at SWA. More than double our vacation. 2000 more pilots.

I agree, 2000 maybe but I would guess closer to 1000. Not everyone could bid the line that touches 2 6 day trips... because with a line system the computer knows vacations happen and trys to limit those opportunities. However, most could touch something on at least one side of the vaca (some couldn't touch anything). I know. I've been there. 2000 maybe.

:54 minutes TFP. 800 more Delta pilots.

Please explain this. Perhaps I don't know how it works, but mostly wouldn't our small number of short time trips be paid more? Probably cap out sooner and need a small number of additional bodies.

6.5 TFP for training day and reserve day. 1200 more Delta pilots.

?Again: 1200? 6.5 TFP is about 5.7 hours vs proposed 4 hrs. So, ball parking: 14,000 pilots get an extra 3.4 hrs every 9 months. 3.4 X 14000 = 47,600 hrs divided by 9 = 5289 hrs/month div by 80 hr month and I get 66.11 pilots flying 80 hr months. Where do the 1134 others come from. As for the reserve.. SWA's all short call all the time would cut manning requirements and GS/WS availability by a lot. So, wouldn't we just primarily get paid more for training? I'm all for more.

At least 3500 more Delta captains if we had the SWA aip.

I can't get to that number.

Imagine your domestic quality of life if we had 3 day trips worth 22 hours vs our 15:45.