Originally Posted by baseball

So, it's an information technology problem? Well, whatever the company says then right? That's not what Continental Airlines was saying. CAL was saying: "We disagree with the interpretation of the law and we feel that these pilots are not entitled to said benefits." Your "technical problems" and your "record keeping" argument never came up. In addition, why did 7 managers suddenly retire after the CAL suit was filed? You really don't know what you are talking about "again." Management's response was: we feel the suit is without merit. They actually lost that argument.

Reading comprehension again - what I said was that many of the issues were resolved through the current Military Affairs Comittee and the reason for not having final resolution was record keeping and IT issues. (The company trying to manually reconstruct the records)"

In today's world of information technology, data is at our finger-tips. The reason our pay-screens/pay claim process was so onerous was because management wanted it that way. Saved them money. It didn't take much effort to change their methodology once the union forced them to. It's better now.

It may be better now for the CAL guys but when but back when military guys left and returned records were not kept and the process of reconstructing is being done manually. Yes, the CAL management saved money but the CAL guys had the LAW on you side and YOU did nothing while it was going on.

Everyone has a limited amount of patience with this stuff. I think 7 years is pretty patient. 10 years is mucho patient. We have people now that are retired from both the reserves and from CAL/UAL that still have their issues unresolved. At what point in time does the record keeping and technical problem issues need to be solved so that people can actually have confidence that they are being treated squarely?

Why didn't the CAL guys resolve this well before the merger. Did you really fear CAL management? Fred and many of his boys were military that came for PE. The LUAL Military Affairs Committee along with committees from other airline gave assistance and guidance to the CAL guys and collectively YOU drop the ball.


We're shooting for plus or minus zero at arrival time. That's our goal. Why can't we shoot for plus or minus zero on record keeping? We're shooting for stabilized by 1000 ft. agl. Why can't our information technology be stabilized within one business week of a guardsmen's return from active duty? Ask OM

It's a matter of will-power and management's priorities, not record keeping and technology. Management should be held accountable when they fall short of compliance. It's pretty simple actually.

It is simple and it would have been even more simple back when the CAL management decided to take advantage of the deployed CAL people. The current UAL MEC and Military Affairs Committee have done a good job of correcting the bad deal the CAL got. I really don't understand the anti ALPA and anti Military Affairs Committee position you've taken, other than the guilt you may feel for not standing up to the CAL management.