Good afternoon guys. I started surfing around here a year or so ago to see what's happening in you guys world. I have followed the forums and it's kinda funny watching all the same personalities push their agenda.

Here are some of my thoughts and a few questions. First off my stance after reading all this would be with the guys that voted no to the first deal and don't like the happenings today.

In the first deal TA15, it was voted down 65% to 35%. After reading all the threads for a while it seems that those who want the quick and dirty deal are the ones who are about to retire. They wanna get theirs and bail. It later occurred to me with all the pilots retiring soon (probably about 30% I'm guessing) that they are all you're yes voters. Of course you guys already know this.

So one of my questions is wouldn't pushing a full retro hard bring more of those guys on board that way they would get theirs on down the road even if they are retired?

Anyhow it seems that the 65% are gonna be there for a while and are set on not only getting a raise, but also maintaining some sort of QOL. It's sorta sad that the few are selling out the many but that's life I suppose. Based on what I read I wouldn't think the 65% would be swayed that much if they touch any of their QOL issues because this is where they have to live for a while and who wants to give up their life for a few dollars unless your run is almost up and you need to cash out.

I would think that management is wanting to go after whatever they can very hard this go around because the next go around the 35% is going to shrink. They will be retiring and with the pilot group getting younger the QOL will be a huge issue so management needs to sieze what they can now as far as QOL concessions.

It would also seem that after watching the SWA deal go down if another substandard TA comes down the pipe that all those yes voters would just vote no. Knowing it's gonna fail anyway because they aren't gonna sway the 65% so it's like 95% to 5% giving the negotiators some real power and a deal would come quick. Imagine that TA15 65% to 35% then TA16 95% to 5%. Management would panic. But if it gets closer they will continue to kick the can.


At the end of the day the pilots are in the drivers seat in these negotiations although from my perspective it sure doesn't look like they know that as it seems that you're own negotiators are selling the pilots up the river. What do they get out of it at the end of the day? Does the company reward them with some VP position down the road. Like the first guy Donatelli I think it was that sold you guys down the river. How did it work out for him. My guess is now everybody hates his guts and who would wanna fly with him. Is he about to be appointed some position at Delta? So what would his motivation be for going to the dark side? That is the part I don't understand why your own negotiators sell you out? Please somebody explain that to me.

Here is another question. How much would it cost to refund the pension to all those that lost it? 1 billion? 2 billion? Again how much did Delta make last year? How much are they gonna make this year?

Seems as though a lot of guys took it on the nose hard to save the place and now management doesn't even wanna throw you a bone. I really kinda don't understand how more of you guys aren't ****ed. Don't get me wrong I don't think your getting your pension back but they should be beating them over the head with that. Maybe they are I dunno

Another thing they should do since they took all those guys pensions is make it profit sharing for life for those guys. That way they have something to show for it.

I am rooting for you guys but I shake my head at the fact management seems to be so stupid.

Anyway just some thoughts from the outside. I am sure nothing new to you guys.