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Old 09-15-2016 | 08:50 AM
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regionaljob
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
Good information thanks for taking the time.
Though I think it's a little misleading to guesstimate the change in Envoy upgrade time without doing so for the others..many of which have upgrade times on the verge of dropping. But I understand you're at Envoy so you have more insight there than you would at other regionals.
Overall good info though
Over half of the regionals are running 2-3 years upgrade, so hard to see that coming down very much (simply not enough F/O candidates). You are correct though that a few (SkyWest for example) may trend down as Legacy retirements accelerate. I factored it in for Envoy because their current upgrade time is 8.5 years (new bid gets that down to a bit over 6 by years end). Forward projections are not perfect (ask an Envoy pilot who got hired on a three year flow promise in '99) but neither are they useless: unless Envoy shrinks (which clearly management does not want) or the job market completely dries up (unlikely, and would effect everyone equally) upgrade for a new hire is going to take several years less. Tough to make perfect assumptions, but you could definitely argue for $15-$30k more in compensation due to quicker upgrades at a few companies.

If you have insight at another regional that I covered message me and I'll adjust the numbers. By the way, I figured a three year upgrade at Envoy. It could very well be closer to two years if the hiring is good enough/40 per month flow is more than a symbolic gesture by AAG. I wasn't trying to paint the rosiest picture that I could, just project a reasonable forward analysis. But like you said, I know quite a bit about things over here; obviously when covering 12 different regionals, some of the particulars will get overlooked.

Last edited by regionaljob; 09-15-2016 at 09:01 AM.
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